Download and Discuss Episode 18!

[Christian]

Episode 18 - Worldwake and B-Class Tribes!

http://www.AvantCardShow.com/podcast/Episode018.mp3

Your hosts discuss some Worldwake cards that we will be looking forward to using, and our thoughts on their interactions, especially in the casual environment.

We also talk about B-Class Tribes, tribal decks using the lesser-known creature types, outside of the usual more popular tribes, with less support (no Lords) so it is a great opportunity for some creative decks. Aaron discusses the Viashino tribe, I break down my Pegatron deck, and Bryan talks about his surprisingly good The Myr The Merrier deck.

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[panahinuva]

Hey now, don't knock Death's Shadow. I had one at the prerelease and my opponent actually stopped dealing me damage to avoid being smashed. Since he had no fliers and I had a soaring sea cliffs in hand and one less life would result in my Death's Shadow being big enough to kill him.

Also, would you consider Kor a B-Class tribe now? Since they are supported. However, they're supported like Cats, so if cats are B-class then Kor should be as well.

[Christian]

Cats and now Kor are a pretty strong tribe - you can make a Cat/Equipment deck pretty easily from those Mirrodin cats that get bigger when you equip them, and the Raka Cub is kind of like a Lord... Decks with support and that have a nice pool that you can easily build from aren't really the creative challenge that B Class Tribes focuses on...

Think instead of how awesome it would be if you created a kick ass Plant deck, using the new Worldwake Plant creatures...and Khalni Garden)!!

Please note that the Plant creatures list I sent you does not include Mossdog, which has been changed to Plant Hound. Now I'm worried that I noticed that on first glance. I think I play too much magic.

[panahinuva]

I am well aware of the MDV, thanks to the Mana Pool's Animal House episode.

I was thinking of building a plant deck, if I can get my hands on enough Avengers of Zendikar.

[Christian]

Don't forget everyone's favorite Plant Zombie!

[panahinuva]

How could I?

[Exoskele]

I just wanted to point out that I really enjoy Heroes of Newerth and, honestly, play it way too much. Two months and suddenly it's almost the only game I play.

[Christian]

I started a Heroes of Newerth forum so we can discuss it, and all join in a clan!

Go to the forum HERE.

[raijinnfury]

So I was really curious after listening to the show, what is the suggested ban list for B-Class Tribes? I mean I figure the usuals are banned like Goblins, Elves, Kithkin, Faeries, etc. But what about Demons, Dragons, Angels, Birds, etc.? I'd like to know what you would suggest since I'm thinking about trying this out with my playgroup. Can't wait to try out my G/R Apes deck! Keep up the good work!

[Christian]

Well I remember reading out a list on the show about the A Class tribes, but the rule of thumb is if it's got support like Lords, and if it's a powerful tribe that you would have used in a normal tribal game, it's probably A Class. If it takes some real thought to build, and you feel like with the right combination of other cars, you brought a normally silly tribe into something to be proud of, then it's probably B Class.

Bryan brought up a good point that we didn't really want to get into on the show in case it confused people but I think it will help in this case. He said that the B-Class tribes we talk about is more like C-Class. Tournament staples like Elves and Goblins are obviously A-Class, but tribes that aren't as organized, but still powerful like Angels and Birds can make a mean deck, and also those decks are easy to build because they have a lot of creatures to choose from and a lot of them are good. But beyond that are a class of creatures that we're really talking about - creatures like Cephalids, Crocodiles, Dryads, Dwarves, Elephants, Fish, Foxes, Frogs, Horrors, Hounds, OMG! Look how many creative choices there are. You have to add something to make them shine, because it's not always obvious.

http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/visual_s ... y_race.htm

Plants will be my next endeavor. My Pegatron deck is now one of my favorite, and began as a B-Class tribe. Pegasuses, the most tame of the creature types. But the creative part, and the fun part in my opinion, was finding what to have along with the Pegasus creatures to really make a decent deck. Since pegasus are cheap to cast, I had mana left over, and when I put in the 'Tron lands, I was able to cast huge spells like Storm Herd, and keep a Sacred Mesa working overtime. And with that mana, you can actually use those Mirrodin Towers, like Tower of Fortunes. Drawing 4 cards for tapping 3 Urza's lands each turn is nice, and gives you lots of Pegasuses to cast. Anyway you get the idea. Bryan's "The Myr the Merrier" deck is an excellent example of bringing a B-Class tribe up into OMG range, where people are actually concerned when you bring it to the multipler table.

You know you are doing it right when you take a laughable creature type like Oozes and turn it into something that makes people say oh shit he's playing the Ooze deck! Then you are a B Class Bad Ass.